New Zealand’s Climate Science Coalition has issued a press release detailing the end of the Kiwi-gate affair.
The outcome is that data published in 2009 by New Zealand’s National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA) entitled ‘Are we feeling warmer yet’ has been abandoned and replaced with real, unadjusted data that shows a picture that warmists don’t want you to see:
NIWA makes the huge admission that New Zealand has experienced hardly any warming during the last half-century. For all their talk about warming, for all their rushed invention of the “Eleven-Station Series” to prove warming, this new series shows that no warming has occurred here since about 1960. Almost all the warming took place from 1940-60, when the IPCC says that the effect of CO2 concentrations was trivial. Indeed, global temperatures were falling during that period.
The dishonesty behind the original data was in the adjustments, of course:
Almost all of the 34 adjustments made by Dr Jim Salinger to the 7SS have been abandoned, along with his version of the comparative station methodology.
When the Climate Science Coalition announced its intention to sue, the green establishment rushed to NIWA’s defence:
University of Otago pro-vice chancellor of sciences Keith Hunter has also backed Niwa, saying taking court action against it was “stupid,” while the Environmental Defence Society (EDS) said it may join court action in support of Niwa. “On the face of it, it’s hard to see how the issue can properly be brought before the court,” said EDS chairman Gary Taylor. “We have no doubts that the science behind global warming predictions is robust and reliable and would wish to support the institute in any way that we can.”
How do you prefer your crow Mr. Taylor?
That NIWA was forced to correct their temperature records to reveal no warming when the initial report was crafted to support the warmist narrative is significant. The Climategate affair was damning in its revelations of peer-review process corruption and bullying but the establishment whitewashed the truth with ‘investigations’ to give Phil Jones et al cover. Not so with Kiwigate, where NIWA admitted it could not support its own data in a statement of defence.
The correction of the record is a good win for the Climate Science Coalition and for science in general.
Hey Nuckelhedd, I rather like you now - sorry for the reflexive abuse! I’m sometimes wrong too…
Nick,
If I understand your point correctly - you choose to believe the 100+ corrections that NIWA reversed (all exaggerating temperatures to create a false warming trend) is no big deal because it was only a matter of a few points of a degree, yet you argue on the other hand that warming of a few tenths of a degree is enough to cause all the scary problems so beloved of the warming movement. Mental gymnastics, how very clever. I was particularly impressed with this:
Just a small correction, we laugh at hippies rather than sneer. Laughing upsets them more and is therefore even funnier. It’s a comedy thing, you won’t get it.
FYI - for the Goebbel’s reference you forfeit debating points under Godwin’s Law but the good news is that the blog needs a resident angry-all-the-time troll and your credentials are excellent. If you promise not to actually bust a blood vessel and cause yourself harm, the position is yours. Before you decide whether to accept this huge honor, I offer full disclosure and admit that I once received a 5 cents per liter discount on 100 liters of gas, so I’m totally funded by Big Oil.
Easy there big fella. Apparently I misjudged your ability to consume useless facts and see sarcasm. My bad. No harm intended. And yes I chose my SN simply because I know I am not always correct and it is a fun way to poke at myself and give others an opportunity to slice away if they will. Those who don’t Either have no sense of humor or are to serious to bother. Either way I don’t mind.
Yes I do “geddit” and am happy to assist in any way I might. I hoped my first foray in here might generate a response and I was not disappointed. I thank you for your lesson on what this site is and what you do in the forums here. I do hope you don’t take all I said to heart. You just happened to be the first post I read that I could take the other side on.
I do so like the devil and all of his advocates.
Hope to cross swords with you again in the future sir. :)
Blimey Nuckelhedd - 10 out of 10 for self knowledge when you chose your on-screen name. Very appropriate. God knows what point you were trying to make with your sophomoric attempt at being clever. The “science” was Ok but it literally meant nothing, so what was the point?
As you were too dense to see what I meant, I will spell it out to you. This website exists to, amongst others, push the Goebbels’esque big lie that global warming/climate science is all a huge hoax and conspiracy. In order to do that the participants have to indulge in such mentally twisted false logic, source their info from blatant disinformation websites, jump to so many inappropriate conclusions and focus microscopically on the splinters in climate science’s eye while ignoring the beams (nay, giant redwoods) in their own, that they metaphorically are forced to argue that black is white. Which it isn’t. Geddit?
The whole thrust of the Kiwigate story is that the figures were all wrong and they’ve had to be redone. The breathtakingly stupid line that these articles are plugging is that that automatically means that the warming trend is all wrong, that therefore we cannot be warming the climate - climate science is all a crock - it’s a plot to install a socialist world government - and other paranoid garbage etc etc.
Here is a link to the new figures superimposed on top of the old figures. Minuscule differences - no real change in the temperature trend whatsoever and yet you are bigging it up as some sort of smoking gun “gate”. Christ almighty, you sneer at hippies on this blog but I never met one whose brain was so acid fried that they would form the same astonishingly cracked conclusions from clear evidence which simply does not support your position
Unless you lot are mentally ill, you seem to think that what you call “scepticism” is like someone who points out the tiny small mole on the face of a beautiful supermodel and screams out that the mole is proof that she is horrendously ugly - and her whole family too.
Having looked at the “about” part of this blog it’s crystal clear that you get your highly distorted information about science from disinformation websites like Wattsupwitthat and possibly wing nut organisations like Cato institute, S.E.P.P, Heartland etc
!!!!!!!!!!!!!@ NICK !!!!!!!!!!
Well Nick I hate to poke at you since you obviously suffer from some sort of deficiency, however I would like to point out to you that in fact Black is not Black and White is not White. Inded they only appear so to our Human eyesight. The truth is that things which appear Black do so because they reflect no visible portion of the light spectrum that we can detect and things which appear white do so because they reflect the entire portion of the visible light spectrum that we can detect. This is why Grass “appears” Green to us. The structure of what makes up the blades of grass reflect the Green waves in the light spectrum. So you need a new cliche to fall back on. Or you could just fall on your sword now and get it over with.
Just saying
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good fight
Nick,
Despite your best efforts to obscure the inconvenient truth with name calling, the fact remains that NIWA was forced to correct the record. You don’t have to like it, in fact I understand that such events are difficult for those who fell for the AGW hoax to swallow but in this case even those you hurry to support are unable to defend themselves.
As warmists everywhere are discovering, not everything said in the pursuit of the global warming agenda is/was true, or accurate. Which is why this blog exists.
That and laughing at hippies.
Crikey. Denialists have finally jumped the shark on this one. Have you all got so corrupted by false assertions, lies, misdirections and spin that you just believe anything now that anybody says, no matter how obviously divorced from reality, as long as it supports what you want to believe? Black is black and white is white and believing the featherbrained, breatkingly stupid garbage in this article, and those previous to it is just plain barking irresponsible.
WTF? I have seen the corrected record and there is no significant difference!!!
http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2010/12/alternate-universes.html
This is indeed good news for science and truth. Let us hope that NZ’s example spurs others to do the same.
so when are they gonna reverse the ETS tax? and pay back everyone their money?
Fake global warming, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our right:
They violate the 1st Amendment by placing protesters in cages, banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns.
They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
Impeach Obama and sweep out the Congress, except Ron Paul.
(Last link of Banned Book):
America Deceived II (book)
“Salinger doesn’t feel critics’ heat”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/3575763/Salinger-doesn-t-feel-critics-heat
“No, I’m not worried, because my research is based on facts, and I reach conclusions,” the 62-year-old says confidently.
He says that if temperature records showed a “cooling off over the last 10 years, I’d be saying so”.
He emits a slight chuckle when sceptics such as Hide and the Climate Science Coalition are mentioned: “Science is about facts, not beliefs. I like to look at the facts and see what they say – if people want to attack me as a person, that has nothing to do with my science. It doesn’t worry me.”
He believes the critics are driven by agendas: “You can actually trace links with quite a few of them back to the oil industry.”
“This whole group are trying to accuse me, and my overseas scientific colleagues, of fraud,” he continues.
“Well, there is going to have to be a hell of a lot of people involved in this `fraud’ … They’re trying to say the International Panel On Climate Change is a fraudulent activity, and in fact it’s a very thorough process.”
Even during last year’s Climategate email scandal, Salinger, a lead author on the IPCC’s report’s New Zealand section, was not concerned.
The seizing of University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit emails was, he argues, “an illegal activity”, and critics went on to “pick out quotes out of context”, selectively releasing one or two comments.
“I think it was a deliberate attempt to discredit the science and the scientists,” he says. “Just think – the oil industry has huge amount of money, and a lot of these groups trace to the (political) right-wing in the US.”
Best news I’ve heard in a while.
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